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i never understood why people want some sort of broodwar HD. Pucca i'm not sure if it even was a goal for the bw people to change bw. i have to agree with elegant, i dont know why a full tournament thread about a SC2 mod is in the BW tournament section. if it would have been a small redirection thread for the main thread (which has all the information) in the sc2 section, then i would totally be ok with it. but being a weekly tournament with a starting prizepool about 3 times as big as in defiler tours just for fun....
...and the WC3 - DOTA argument doesnt hold, because dota was the first of its kind, but SC2BW is just "copying" BW, so why not just play BW?
im not playing this tour out of many reasons.
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I don't see how you can have a competitive tournament for sc2bw with such limited functionality. Many of the most important units like vultures (mines) and lurkers simply do not work. In TvZ, the only balance comes from both races being equally handicapped, and the ability to use other units instead. TvP is somewhat ridiculous, though, as vultures are always relied upon. Even medics and zerglings suck, since with the pathing "fix" neither is able to fit between marines. Medics can't reach anything to heal, and zerglings can't surround, creating another laughable balance. Nothing works as it should, and winning relies on abusing sc2bw's quirks rather than being good at either game.
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Well, I for one do not want this thread to be moved now. With all the comments it'd be disaster. I generally agree with Bakuryu; his would have been better way of approaching things.
I also think the response exposes one of the biggest weakness of SC2BW- while I'll occasionally drop by SC2 forums to see if there are worthwhile improvement mod like Starbow or OneGoal, so I can finally get the dust off SC2 I bought long before to get $60 worth I was denied of, I'd rather play BW if I want to play BW. Maybe I'm retro but I always preferred 2D over 3D in most of the games I enjoy.
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On February 07 2013 07:42 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:22 L_Master wrote:On February 07 2013 07:18 Game wrote:Once I read Jaevlaterran's comment, I knew I'd see L_Master or Pucca pop up since they play SC2/DotA. O.O Actually, I play neither of these games. Unless you count the 50 games I played in beta. Or the one game every other month I have averaged since then. K..
I said don't play SC2, and this includes SC2:BW in that umbrella. Hosting a tournament certainly doesn't mean you are preparing actively, or even playing, for that matter. Also, what does organizing a tour to give BW a little more publicity (this is arguable, but I firmly believe it does), have to do with playing SC2?
Actually, I'd go as far as to say that calling SC2:BW "SC2" is questionable. Nobody calls "cat and mouse" BW, just like no one calls "Nexus Wars" SC2. Mods of a game are not the game.
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On February 07 2013 12:18 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:42 Game wrote:On February 07 2013 07:22 L_Master wrote:On February 07 2013 07:18 Game wrote:Once I read Jaevlaterran's comment, I knew I'd see L_Master or Pucca pop up since they play SC2/DotA. O.O Actually, I play neither of these games. Unless you count the 50 games I played in beta. Or the one game every other month I have averaged since then. K.. I said don't play SC2, and this includes SC2:BW in that umbrella. Hosting a tournament certainly doesn't mean you are preparing actively, or even playing, for that matter. Also, what does organizing a tour to give BW a little more publicity (this is arguable, but I firmly believe it does), have to do with playing SC2? Actually, I'd go as far as to say that calling SC2:BW "SC2" is questionable. Nobody calls "cat and mouse" BW, just like no one calls "Nexus Wars" SC2. Mods of a game are not the game. Tell me more.
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WC3 - DOTA argument doesnt hold, because dota was the first of its kind, but SC2BW is just "copying" BW, so why not just play BW?
I agree with everything that comes after "hold", but am not sure why this alters the premise of the WC3/Dota argument. Mods of a game are not the game. For instance "Cat and Mouse" is not called BW by anyone. Same applies to any other UMS out there. "Yugioh" isn't considered BW.
i never understood why people want some sort of broodwar HD. Pucca i'm not sure if it even was a goal for the bw people to change bw.
I think it's a matter of who you ask. Most serious BW fans don't want a remake, because frankly in almost all ways the game looks much better (certainly clearer) in 2D.
The people that clamour for a remake fall usually into one of two camps: 1) SC2 players that automatically assume BW graphics suck, but like what they hear about BW's gameplay and would like to see it with a "modern" look 2) BW players that doesn't necessarily want the changes themselves, but believe that it would be for the good of the community/game by attracting more potential viewers, players, sponsors.
I don't agree with #2 personally, as I think BW's graphics are better than SC2 graphics and play an integral function in how BW gameplay actually pans out.
i dont know why a full tournament thread about a SC2 mod is in the BW tournament section.
I also mostly agree with this, but I think it is a question of "where do you put it". It isn't SC2, and it sure isn't BW. It could easily have appeal to both audiences though. Technically speaking this belongs in neither forum but put randomly in "sports and games" would obviously result in no publicity for the event.
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On February 07 2013 12:20 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:18 L_Master wrote:On February 07 2013 07:42 Game wrote:On February 07 2013 07:22 L_Master wrote:On February 07 2013 07:18 Game wrote:Once I read Jaevlaterran's comment, I knew I'd see L_Master or Pucca pop up since they play SC2/DotA. O.O Actually, I play neither of these games. Unless you count the 50 games I played in beta. Or the one game every other month I have averaged since then. K.. I said don't play SC2, and this includes SC2:BW in that umbrella. Hosting a tournament certainly doesn't mean you are preparing actively, or even playing, for that matter. Also, what does organizing a tour to give BW a little more publicity (this is arguable, but I firmly believe it does), have to do with playing SC2? Actually, I'd go as far as to say that calling SC2:BW "SC2" is questionable. Nobody calls "cat and mouse" BW, just like no one calls "Nexus Wars" SC2. Mods of a game are not the game. Tell me more.
Okay. Will do.
I'm missing the point you're trying to make with that link .
It seems to me everywhere in that wikipedia article that it is referred to as Dota and not WC3. Even the opening sentence of the article states that it is a mod made for Wracraft III: Reign of Chaos. This is distinct from saying the game is Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos, or some form of expansion of WC3.
Unless the point is that I play Dota, to which I can honestly respond that I have never played a single game of Dota/Dota2 nor ever had the host game installed on my PC at any point. Ever.
BW is too good. I don't have the time or desire to spend any effort on other games when the option to play BW exists. It's like choosing McDonalds over a free homecooked meal or something.
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Fat people don't love BW?
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On February 07 2013 12:59 Game wrote: Fat people don't love BW?
Hmm, for me I think I would get fatter off home-cooked meals. I always go back from 2nd, 3rds, 4ths; whereas McDonalds it's like halfway through the sandwich and I go "I'm done with this stuff".
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On February 07 2013 06:26 ImbaTosS wrote: Gaaaah I'm so tired of having SC2 this and that stuffed at me, whatever it is. I can't seem to escape it! Can't even run a damn stream without the chat being full of morons with their pathetic, pointless trolling. I thought at least the BW forum wouldn't be encroached upon by SC2 tournaments of all things, mod or not. How is this still here?
That's not very British of you Elegant... Seriously though do you have a bug stuck up your ass today?
While I agree that this probably doesn't belong in the BW section your response was quite unnecessary
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Deadly Derailing Leads To Death of Thread
Photo: Earlier today, topic ID 397293 came to a screeching halt and turned into a destructive nightmare when the thread was derailed. The flaming wreck can be seen above.
BroodWar Section, Teamliquid.net - What started as a routine tournament thread turned into a deadly inferno at approximately 2:51 this afternoon, and this day, will, no doubt, haunt the memory of it's many victims for years to come. The thread got off to a good start, according to sources close to the OP, everything appeared to be "going normally". The first signs of trouble came when Jaevlaterran, of the Swedish BroodWar Initiative mentioned that he "did not play this game", referring of course, to the much criticized sequel to the original StarCraft title, StarCraft 2: Wings Of Liberty. Jaevla's comment, although innocent, steered the conversation into dangerous waters.
Players of the original StarCraft title gave a mixed reception to it's successor, StarCraft 2 upon it's 2010 release, and have been at constant odds with the sequel ever since. A "mod" to StarCraft 2 was released to emulate the gameplay in StarCraft, and a tournament was organized for players from both games to play using the modified StarCraft 2 engine. However, tensions between the StarCraft and StarCraft 2 community players were still red-hot, and violence erupted, leading to a massive thread derailment. The thread burst into flames (pun intended) and soon, the original intent of the OP was lost on a very non-cohesive side debate over god-only-knows-what.
Investigators are still trying to determine the cause of the derailment, and TLNN will keep you up-to-date with the latest developments as they unfold.
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Calm down guys Just dont play it. The limited selection is bugged anyway.
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United Kingdom1658 Posts
On February 07 2013 15:45 ninazerg wrote: Deadly Derailing Leads To Death of Thread
Sorry, it was me. I'll bow out. This thread just struck a nerve.
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I feel sad when i see good things getting torn.
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It could be fun. But please put all settings OFF. Anyway I don't have an US client and US account (lol B.Net 2.0). HF ! (btw I agree that this topic should be in SC2 Tourney forum).
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On February 07 2013 18:47 Glioburd wrote: It could be fun. But please put all settings OFF. Anyway I don't have an US client and US account (lol B.Net 2.0). HF ! (btw I agree that this topic should be in SC2 Tourney forum). Global play is live. You can play whereever you want.
Also, this is already in the SC2 tourney forums but it's also here to get more attention.
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Russian Federation66 Posts
I'm not able to play NA server
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
This starts at exactly the same time as the TLS cast,which is less than ideal.
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On February 07 2013 21:29 Sayle wrote: This starts at exactly the same time as the TLS cast,which is less than ideal.
That is indeed less than ideal... I just hope the latter stages of our tour doesn't clash with the latter stages of your broadcast.
Next week I will not take any such chances and will host it at a different time.
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