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On February 07 2013 15:45 ninazerg wrote:Deadly Derailing Leads To Death of ThreadPhoto: Earlier today, topic ID 397293 came to a screeching halt and turned into a destructive nightmare when the thread was derailed. The flaming wreck can be seen above.BroodWar Section, Teamliquid.net - What started as a routine tournament thread turned into a deadly inferno at approximately 2:51 this afternoon, and this day, will, no doubt, haunt the memory of it's many victims for years to come. The thread got off to a good start, according to sources close to the OP, everything appeared to be "going normally". The first signs of trouble came when Jaevlaterran, of the Swedish BroodWar Initiative mentioned that he "did not play this game", referring of course, to the much criticized sequel to the original StarCraft title, StarCraft 2: Wings Of Liberty. Jaevla's comment, although innocent, steered the conversation into dangerous waters. Players of the original StarCraft title gave a mixed reception to it's successor, StarCraft 2 upon it's 2010 release, and have been at constant odds with the sequel ever since. A "mod" to StarCraft 2 was released to emulate the gameplay in StarCraft, and a tournament was organized for players from both games to play using the modified StarCraft 2 engine. However, tensions between the StarCraft and StarCraft 2 community players were still red-hot, and violence erupted, leading to a massive thread derailment. The thread burst into flames (pun intended) and soon, the original intent of the OP was lost on a very non-cohesive side debate over god-only-knows-what. Investigators are still trying to determine the cause of the derailment, and TLNN will keep you up-to-date with the latest developments as they unfold.
haahahahaha really creative xD you are so much fun between a flame war
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On February 07 2013 22:47 LaLuSh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 21:29 Sayle wrote: This starts at exactly the same time as the TLS cast,which is less than ideal. That is indeed less than ideal... I just hope the latter stages of our tour doesn't clash with the latter stages of your broadcast. Next week I will not take any such chances and will host it at a different time. or you can just change it now
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So this is a tournament in practice trying to get people playing another game, at the exakt same time as the biggest tournament in BW. Just checking.
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Bisutopia19035 Posts
On Topic: I always believed anything to expose Brood War was good and got excited by the initiative by who I'm sure must be a big Brood War fan trying to make the game work in the SC2 realm. Looking at TL there is no proper spot for this thread where it will be free from flames, but the complaints about it being here have merit. The timing of the tournament is also unfortunate but they established this time before the time announcement of TLS was made public.
Many of us did buy SC2 and now it sits on a shelf somewhere. If the mod evolves enough then it could be a fun way to see Brood War blended into the SC2 world. I have no problem with people doing there own thing and playing what they want. Too many positives in brood war however right now for us to worry about SC2BW. Go read Movie's interview and feel better.
+ Show Spoiler [Random Thoughts] +@ the Brood War Community: As a community that is notoriously friendly, it is important for us to set an example and deal with adversity in the most mature way possible. We are the remaining. We are holding the torch for the rest of the world. What we say and do reflects upon Brood War WORLD WIDE.
Now looking at the last 4 pages I'm sure this isn't something we should be proud of. Our threads, let me repeat, OUR threads need to show positive voice and encouragement. We should not feel threatened, we should not feel attacked by a thread like this one. Let's step it up a little and show some class.
The hostility of SC2 is over. The killing of Brood War has ended. The tidal wave has run its course and we have overcome it all. Be not like those who preach fear and smother hope into the heart of an ESports fan. In the end we are all one species feeding of the love of our particular game. And as long as there is food, we will thrive.
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If the game platform they using is SCII then I believe this should be on SCII tournament or custom map section. Many people are really sensitive here about how SCII almost killed BW and even I believe the organizer have only good intentions and no malice at all, I think this doesn't belong here.
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wanted to sign up,
saw it unlimited selection/auto mining was onX_X
well, mass muta ftw?
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On February 08 2013 02:49 sabas123 wrote: wanted to sign up,
saw it unlimited selection/auto mining was onX_X
well, mass muta ftw?
Those are the default settings in order to encourage non Brood War players to participate.
Players can agree to change settings and it shouldn't be much of an issue because:
1. Any former and current BW player will likely agree to BW settings.
2. The majority of players who have signed up fall under the above category.
If you're a BW player you'll likely beat someone who has never played brood war before and wants to play with unlimited selection anyway.
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On February 08 2013 03:55 LaLuSh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:49 sabas123 wrote: wanted to sign up,
saw it unlimited selection/auto mining was onX_X
well, mass muta ftw? Those are the default settings in order to encourage non Brood War players to participate. Players can agree to change settings and it shouldn't be much of an issue because: 1. Any former and current BW player will likely agree to BW settings. 2. The majority of players who have signed up fall under the above category. If you're a BW player you'll likely beat someone who has never played brood war before and wants to play with unlimited selection anyway. You talked before alienting the audience by turning the BW settings on. Well you are alienating the people who play BW by turning it off. I really don't want to play a game of BW where more than 11 mutalisks can harass my mineral line.
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On February 07 2013 18:34 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 15:45 ninazerg wrote: Deadly Derailing Leads To Death of Thread
Sorry, it was me. I'll bow out. This thread just struck a nerve.
Dude, you were just being brutally honest. I know you really love playing and talking about this game, and it's easy to feel like everyone is on the SC2 bandwagon and be upset by that.
On February 07 2013 08:44 ImbaTosS wrote:
You want my reasoning for being pissed off? I want to not be encroached upon. That's my reasoning. I want the scene, and my own experience of it, not to be encroached upon, which hasn't been the case for years now. I don't want to hear a single BW vs SC2/LOL/DOTA/ whatever argument from either side, nor do I want to argue with any of the people in this forum, any other forum.
To suggest that I want to squash everything that isn't competitive BroodWar because of a personal vendetta is yet another magnificent, and possibly even deliberate misinterpretation of the fact that I simply don't want my experience to be invaded, and have had it up to the eyeballs with hearing about things I or any of the BW community should be doing instead. I'm sick of people trying to pop up and educate me on possible things to "enhance" what I enjoy, as if I'm some useless savage clinging on to some old, elitist, outdated way because of a strange Luddite set of principles. I am perfectly well educated in my choices. Why does everyone think that they know what I should want, and try to give it to me on the assumption that I just don't know any better yet?
Agree.
I don't think you should be the least bit embarrassed about some SC2 thread going off down the road to anger-town. I was merely poking fun at the situation in general, and was not talking about you. I may have been making fun of someone else and this hypothetical person may also be someone who has a habit of derailing threads and making terrible posts in general, but that's beside the point. Also, I'm not talking about Jaevlaterran.
But on a serious note, I think anyone who was going to be "converted" to SC2 has already gone over to the other side, and a bunch have already come back. So, what can they do with an old dusty SC2 key but occasionally blow the cobwebs off of it, and dabble in the game for fun? I hope you can find solace in that BroodWar is still incredibly fun, and the people still playing are also incredibly cool, including yourself. Eventually, Blizzard, like any other company, will not stand the test of time, and will die. They have done everything in their legal power to reign in the StarCraft market, but they cannot do so, because while on their legal documents, they lay claim to StarCraft, it is ours. They know this, and that's why they did not put LAN functionality into SC2 - so they could have complete control over everything with the label "SC2" on it, which they know they can now never do with BroodWar. Unlike SC2, I have not purchased a "license" to play BroodWar, but rather, I bought the game. It's mine. I actually have two copies of the game. If Blizzard's subsequent titles elicit the same response that Diablo III and HotS have, the company will not survive for long. If this happens, bnet 2.0 will be terminated, effectively ending SC2 unless a LAN feature is implemented, whereas BroodWar can survive indefinitely on pirate servers, and even with pirated versions. It's actually quite possible that BroodWar may outlast SC2 in this regard, although I am certainly not advocating engaging in illegal activities; but then again, in an age where legality is determined by corporations rather than elected officials, who believe they are the law, even across the Pacific Ocean in foreign countries, some checks and balances should, and must, be made.
Some of these checks and balances may come in the form of the denunciation of their quite overt advertisement campaign, their suffocating imposition into "eSports", and the tightening reigns of corporatism over what was once an art form - making computer games. All things considered, I naturally am compelled to agree with you.
I sincerely hope you have a wonderful day, and I look forward to your broadcast this weekend.
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And just when I thought this thread is getting back on track... :/
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I, for one, am happy that Lalush posted this here or else I wouldn't have seen it. Thank you!
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Bisutopia19035 Posts
edit: What Xiphos Said. + Show Spoiler [irrelevant anger] +On February 08 2013 08:35 ninazerg wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2013 18:34 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 15:45 ninazerg wrote: Deadly Derailing Leads To Death of Thread
Sorry, it was me. I'll bow out. This thread just struck a nerve. Dude, you were just being brutally honest. I know you really love playing and talking about this game, and it's easy to feel like everyone is on the SC2 bandwagon and be upset by that. On February 07 2013 08:44 ImbaTosS wrote:
You want my reasoning for being pissed off? I want to not be encroached upon. That's my reasoning. I want the scene, and my own experience of it, not to be encroached upon, which hasn't been the case for years now. I don't want to hear a single BW vs SC2/LOL/DOTA/ whatever argument from either side, nor do I want to argue with any of the people in this forum, any other forum.
To suggest that I want to squash everything that isn't competitive BroodWar because of a personal vendetta is yet another magnificent, and possibly even deliberate misinterpretation of the fact that I simply don't want my experience to be invaded, and have had it up to the eyeballs with hearing about things I or any of the BW community should be doing instead. I'm sick of people trying to pop up and educate me on possible things to "enhance" what I enjoy, as if I'm some useless savage clinging on to some old, elitist, outdated way because of a strange Luddite set of principles. I am perfectly well educated in my choices. Why does everyone think that they know what I should want, and try to give it to me on the assumption that I just don't know any better yet?
Agree. I don't think you should be the least bit embarrassed about some SC2 thread going off down the road to anger-town. I was merely poking fun at the situation in general, and was not talking about you. I may have been making fun of someone else and this hypothetical person may also be someone who has a habit of derailing threads and making terrible posts in general, but that's beside the point. Also, I'm not talking about Jaevlaterran. But on a serious note, I think anyone who was going to be "converted" to SC2 has already gone over to the other side, and a bunch have already come back. So, what can they do with an old dusty SC2 key but occasionally blow the cobwebs off of it, and dabble in the game for fun? I hope you can find solace in that BroodWar is still incredibly fun, and the people still playing are also incredibly cool, including yourself. Eventually, Blizzard, like any other company, will not stand the test of time, and will die. They have done everything in their legal power to reign in the StarCraft market, but they cannot do so, because while on their legal documents, they lay claim to StarCraft, it is ours. They know this, and that's why they did not put LAN functionality into SC2 - so they could have complete control over everything with the label "SC2" on it, which they know they can now never do with BroodWar. Unlike SC2, I have not purchased a "license" to play BroodWar, but rather, I bought the game. It's mine. I actually have two copies of the game. If Blizzard's subsequent titles elicit the same response that Diablo III and HotS have, the company will not survive for long. If this happens, bnet 2.0 will be terminated, effectively ending SC2 unless a LAN feature is implemented, whereas BroodWar can survive indefinitely on pirate servers, and even with pirated versions. It's actually quite possible that BroodWar may outlast SC2 in this regard, although I am certainly not advocating engaging in illegal activities; but then again, in an age where legality is determined by corporations rather than elected officials, who believe they are the law, even across the Pacific Ocean in foreign countries, some checks and balances should, and must, be made. Some of these checks and balances may come in the form of the denunciation of their quite overt advertisement campaign, their suffocating imposition into "eSports", and the tightening reigns of corporatism over what was once an art form - making computer games. All things considered, I naturally am compelled to agree with you. I sincerely hope you have a wonderful day, and I look forward to your broadcast this weekend. I usually don't speak up and especially not against someone who is pro BW, but you are wrong Nina. And trust me, I am familiar with your post history and you are sharp as a razor towards anyone that stands against you. Your post is the kind of fear inciting, Brood War elitism that scares people away from this section of the forums. Whatever problems you and others may have with Blizzard, SC2, big Corporations don't need to but shoved into everyone else's face. And while no one was calling Elegant out, I think it is completely wrong for you to endorse the kind of language and attitude he brought to this thread. Elegant chose to be a model for this community by becoming a caster for the TLS. Everyone is looking to him and Sayle to set an example for us and how are we supposed to support someone a hundred percent when they lose their temper inside of this thread. Nina, it is no longer a cool thing to publicly bash SC2. No one cares anymore about the state of that game. Why are you still letting yourself get offended? What is the point of having wasted anger and hate? Why is it so necessary to keep that flame alive in you and then spread it's embers among countless threads. I among many want to love you for what you contribute to Brood War but I'm sick and tired of symbols of this community acting out so publicly about their hate campaign towards everything else. I just want to apologize to anyone who thought SC2BW was a fun idea. Don't be afraid to enjoy it just because it's part of SC2. You are allowed to have the best of both worlds. I still love you no matter what you play.
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In fairness she didn't bash SC2.
She did implicitly bash blizzard, but nowhere was SC2 bashed.
I'm also not sure what you mean by elitism. It gets thrown out alot, but I'm not convinced I am seeing it nearly as much as people throw it out. Elitism is like "we are BW players, we are better than anyone else b/c of that". This would be distinct from feeling that BW is a better game than SC2. You could certainly hold such a view without being elitist.
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edit: What Xiphos Said. + Show Spoiler [irrelevant stuff continued.] +On February 08 2013 11:00 L_Master wrote: In fairness she didn't bash SC2.
She did implicitly bash blizzard, but nowhere was SC2 bashed.
I'm also not sure what you mean by elitism. It gets thrown out alot, but I'm not convinced I am seeing it nearly as much as people throw it out. Elitism is like "we are BW players, we are better than anyone else b/c of that". This would be distinct from feeling that BW is a better game than SC2. You could certainly hold such a view without being elitist. Well you just chose to critic my choice of words instead of understanding my sentiment. I wish I was a better writer but if you misunderstand me then I am sorry. I know I can not write any better what I mean or bring more to discussion. In short I just want us to speak in more mature and positive manners. I don't mean to name call or label anyone.
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Guys we are all valuable members of the last foreign battalion, this is no time for civil war. Please, this place is like a home to me. All of you guys are my e-relatives, it pains me to see quarreling between the member.
We have to decide upon one single idea of spreading the game that we love.
Now the real question that we all should be discussing is: "Will SC2:BW mod/tournament increase the awareness of BW in a positive manner? Why and why not?"
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That look interesting good job guys and that video is awesome.I suggest everyone to calm down and prepare whit food and drinks , because we have TLS tomorrow !
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On February 08 2013 11:42 LRM)INF3cted wrote: That look interesting good job guys and that video is awesome.I suggest everyone to calm down and prepare whit food and drinks , because we have TLS tomorrow ! Considering I liquibet-ed you... less posting more practicing!!!! JK <3
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On February 08 2013 10:37 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 08:35 ninazerg wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2013 18:34 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 15:45 ninazerg wrote: Deadly Derailing Leads To Death of Thread
Sorry, it was me. I'll bow out. This thread just struck a nerve. Dude, you were just being brutally honest. I know you really love playing and talking about this game, and it's easy to feel like everyone is on the SC2 bandwagon and be upset by that. On February 07 2013 08:44 ImbaTosS wrote:
You want my reasoning for being pissed off? I want to not be encroached upon. That's my reasoning. I want the scene, and my own experience of it, not to be encroached upon, which hasn't been the case for years now. I don't want to hear a single BW vs SC2/LOL/DOTA/ whatever argument from either side, nor do I want to argue with any of the people in this forum, any other forum.
To suggest that I want to squash everything that isn't competitive BroodWar because of a personal vendetta is yet another magnificent, and possibly even deliberate misinterpretation of the fact that I simply don't want my experience to be invaded, and have had it up to the eyeballs with hearing about things I or any of the BW community should be doing instead. I'm sick of people trying to pop up and educate me on possible things to "enhance" what I enjoy, as if I'm some useless savage clinging on to some old, elitist, outdated way because of a strange Luddite set of principles. I am perfectly well educated in my choices. Why does everyone think that they know what I should want, and try to give it to me on the assumption that I just don't know any better yet?
Agree. I don't think you should be the least bit embarrassed about some SC2 thread going off down the road to anger-town. I was merely poking fun at the situation in general, and was not talking about you. I may have been making fun of someone else and this hypothetical person may also be someone who has a habit of derailing threads and making terrible posts in general, but that's beside the point. Also, I'm not talking about Jaevlaterran. But on a serious note, I think anyone who was going to be "converted" to SC2 has already gone over to the other side, and a bunch have already come back. So, what can they do with an old dusty SC2 key but occasionally blow the cobwebs off of it, and dabble in the game for fun? I hope you can find solace in that BroodWar is still incredibly fun, and the people still playing are also incredibly cool, including yourself. Eventually, Blizzard, like any other company, will not stand the test of time, and will die. They have done everything in their legal power to reign in the StarCraft market, but they cannot do so, because while on their legal documents, they lay claim to StarCraft, it is ours. They know this, and that's why they did not put LAN functionality into SC2 - so they could have complete control over everything with the label "SC2" on it, which they know they can now never do with BroodWar. Unlike SC2, I have not purchased a "license" to play BroodWar, but rather, I bought the game. It's mine. I actually have two copies of the game. If Blizzard's subsequent titles elicit the same response that Diablo III and HotS have, the company will not survive for long. If this happens, bnet 2.0 will be terminated, effectively ending SC2 unless a LAN feature is implemented, whereas BroodWar can survive indefinitely on pirate servers, and even with pirated versions. It's actually quite possible that BroodWar may outlast SC2 in this regard, although I am certainly not advocating engaging in illegal activities; but then again, in an age where legality is determined by corporations rather than elected officials, who believe they are the law, even across the Pacific Ocean in foreign countries, some checks and balances should, and must, be made. Some of these checks and balances may come in the form of the denunciation of their quite overt advertisement campaign, their suffocating imposition into "eSports", and the tightening reigns of corporatism over what was once an art form - making computer games. All things considered, I naturally am compelled to agree with you. I sincerely hope you have a wonderful day, and I look forward to your broadcast this weekend. Brood War elitism .
I played in the first SC2BW tournament. I encourage everyone interested to play in this one and the next one.
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I don't get all the hate in this thread.
Are you guys so afraid of this MOD? For me its such a fun idea that i will reinstall SC2 and play in this tournament (if its true that global play is live) with my wood league sc2 knowledge and Z- in BW(yeah havent played it for like 10+ years and mostly then was playing team games with not locked alliances on LAN).
+ Show Spoiler +Maybe all the hate is due to the price-pool is bigger than other weekly BW tournaments. And people being afraid of pros leaving them for this easy cash.
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Norway25710 Posts
Apparently I'm working day and will have a couple hours in the evening before I collapse from exhaustion, so I'll be signing up. I'm signed up for the iccup carnival tour but I don't see myself going past the first round of that even
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