I want to improve my vocabulary, how do you pronounce it without the beep?
yem *beep* siri chorovany
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
I want to improve my vocabulary, how do you pronounce it without the beep? yem *beep* siri chorovany | ||
evilfatsh1t
Australia8524 Posts
its probably easiest to say its a cultural thing, but theres definitely some naivety amongst korean public figures where they almost expect everyone to be nice to them and any negative message is a personal attack. not that im condoning cyberbullying at all, but the sensible (and necessary) thing to do as a public figure is to develop thicker skin and realise people will talk shit about you and be trolls. i feel western streamers (especially twitch streamers) understand this quite well and treat most of their viewers as trolls or monkeys and take negative comments light heartedly. sure, hardly anyone even on twitch would say theyd want to kill you with a knife but i doubt a western streamer would be as offended as jd was anyway. there are only a few korean streamers who i can name off the top of my head who are practically immune to that shit and understand its part of being a public figure, the biggest name being chulgu (terror). no offense to flash and the other female bj, but "youre shit at the game" and "your tits are too small" are definitely not comments that you should be getting offended by. its almost pathetic how soft theyre being when receiving criticism is honestly part of their job description. | ||
nukkuj
Finland403 Posts
On September 25 2017 16:17 evilfatsh1t wrote: cyberbullying is definitely an issue not just in korea but all over the world, but as a korean myself i can say with certainty that korean public figures are too easily offended by negative comments. (not just streamers, but mainstream celebrities also) its probably easiest to say its a cultural thing, but theres definitely some naivety amongst korean public figures where they almost expect everyone to be nice to them and any negative message is a personal attack. not that im condoning cyberbullying at all, but the sensible (and necessary) thing to do as a public figure is to develop thicker skin and realise people will talk shit about you and be trolls. i feel western streamers (especially twitch streamers) understand this quite well and treat most of their viewers as trolls or monkeys and take negative comments light heartedly. sure, hardly anyone even on twitch would say theyd want to kill you with a knife but i doubt a western streamer would be as offended as jd was anyway. there are only a few korean streamers who i can name off the top of my head who are practically immune to that shit and understand its part of being a public figure, the biggest name being chulgu (terror). no offense to flash and the other female bj, but "youre shit at the game" and "your tits are too small" are definitely not comments that you should be getting offended by. its almost pathetic how soft theyre being when receiving criticism is honestly part of their job description. There's quite a bit of difference between criticism and blatant personal attacks. I feel for JD, regardless whether you get threats IRL or online, it's not cool. Fucking scum should be punished for it. | ||
evilfatsh1t
Australia8524 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36681 Posts
On September 25 2017 16:11 FiWiFaKi wrote: Show nested quote + I want to improve my vocabulary, how do you pronounce it without the beep? yem *beep* siri chorovany lol that wasn't even half-close | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12116 Posts
I can see that the problem is in the "trashtalk" where you don't know if it's meant of just meaningless(e.g. JD) | ||
opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Also, cyber-bullying is an important issue, but it is completely unrelated to what is being presented here. Actual cyber-bullying is targeted hurtful behavior with real-life implications, not random trashtalk. | ||
evilfatsh1t
Australia8524 Posts
On September 25 2017 19:46 opisska wrote: Are all Korean players such princesses that one-line comments from strangers haunt them for extended periods of time? I am not arguing that such behavior is good, but this is a huge overreaction. I guess whatever floats their boat in Korea, but I wouldn't like to see this spreading to the West. I just don't want my tax-funded police to waste their time on dealing with random internet comments and I certainly don't want my random internet comments to be subject to any scrutiny. Also, cyber-bullying is an important issue, but it is completely unrelated to what is being presented here. Actual cyber-bullying is targeted hurtful behavior with real-life implications, not random trashtalk. this is my point basically, except as i already said in my post, this overreaction isnt exclusive to streamers but public figures in general. koreans in general are hugely sensitive to shit talk, which is good in the fact that people know to refrain from doing so, but bad in the fact that everyone is a sensitive fairy. if you look at western facebook comments with all the memes, roasts, "savagery" and other troll shit, its so widely accepted as normal behaviour and it is what is considered as humour or "good sport". you try that on a korean page or post with a korean audience, you get comments from like 1000 different individuals calling you out for being insensitive, rude etc. things like dark humour literally doesnt exist in korean society either | ||
HsDLTitich
Italy824 Posts
On September 25 2017 08:36 KrOjah wrote: I wish people didn't act like such shitfaces on the net..but quite honestly i am much more concerned with real life censorship, and by that I mean the increasing levels in Western countries that infringe of people's expression and alternative views. Alternative views like threatening to murder another person? | ||
Starecat
932 Posts
On September 25 2017 12:57 BLinD-RawR wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWwyjOxAt80 Best video on youtube on this year. They should make a patch to add this as a Terran defeat screen and two simultaneous if you manage to win. | ||
Lazare1969
United States318 Posts
On September 25 2017 20:14 HsDLTitich wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2017 08:36 KrOjah wrote: I wish people didn't act like such shitfaces on the net..but quite honestly i am much more concerned with real life censorship, and by that I mean the increasing levels in Western countries that infringe of people's expression and alternative views. Alternative views like threatening to murder another person? He probably means stuff like immigration, religion and foreign policy, though that's irrelevant to this thread especially in the context of South Korea. | ||
Autumn22
26 Posts
On September 25 2017 16:17 evilfatsh1t wrote: [...]not that im condoning cyberbullying at all [...] [...] its almost pathetic how soft theyre being when receiving criticism is honestly part of their job description.[...] I feel like you're participating in unproductive victim blaming. You lose the battle as soon as you go down this path. Cyberbullying is completely unacceptable and the bully is 100% responsible, and they should be the one that society pushes to change, not the victim. Not just because that's what is right, but also because it's much more realistic to alter the behavior of the bully than it is to alter the emotions of the victim. | ||
ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On September 25 2017 20:05 evilfatsh1t wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2017 19:46 opisska wrote: Are all Korean players such princesses that one-line comments from strangers haunt them for extended periods of time? I am not arguing that such behavior is good, but this is a huge overreaction. I guess whatever floats their boat in Korea, but I wouldn't like to see this spreading to the West. I just don't want my tax-funded police to waste their time on dealing with random internet comments and I certainly don't want my random internet comments to be subject to any scrutiny. Also, cyber-bullying is an important issue, but it is completely unrelated to what is being presented here. Actual cyber-bullying is targeted hurtful behavior with real-life implications, not random trashtalk. this is my point basically, except as i already said in my post, this overreaction isnt exclusive to streamers but public figures in general. koreans in general are hugely sensitive to shit talk, which is good in the fact that people know to refrain from doing so, but bad in the fact that everyone is a sensitive fairy. if you look at western facebook comments with all the memes, roasts, "savagery" and other troll shit, its so widely accepted as normal behaviour and it is what is considered as humour or "good sport". you try that on a korean page or post with a korean audience, you get comments from like 1000 different individuals calling you out for being insensitive, rude etc. things like dark humour literally doesnt exist in korean society either I get you're trying to make a point about sensitivity, but I'm calling bs. Your argument is basically that it's ok to treat people like shit, because it's their fault for letting it hurt them. If you are shitty to someone everyday, even just a "little bit shitty" then eventually that will wear someone down. For example, if everyday I call you an asshole and right after I say it, I remind you how I'm "just joking and it's all good my friend..." Eventually (probably no more than a week) it won't be good anymore, it will be at the very least irritating and at the worst hurtful. It's actually just abusive. A man calls his wife a "bitch," but then says he loves her and he is sorry. Over time it doesn't matter how many times he says he is sorry, it hurts her and that has nothing to do with how "sensitive" she is. In the case of the internet, there is not even a sorry because of anonymity. So it's even worse, its just shitty thing after shitty thing. People say ... "oh it's just twitch chat... Never mind they are spamming 'go kill yourself' 100 times over." I remember one of the last tourneys I saw Ret playing sc2, he was doing good and all I could see in twitch chat was a bunch of assholes spamming terrible shit about his weight for the entire match... It was pure poison. The saddest thing is if Ret was standing in front of those people they wouldn't have the conviction to say a damn thing. This kind of logic transcends cultures. If you treat people like shit (abuse them) you will hurt them eventually, and it should never fall on the responsibility of the person getting shit on to grow thick skin. *That's an excuse for people to act out their own lack of self-control when it comes to spouting out harmful venom. | ||
evilfatsh1t
Australia8524 Posts
obviously abusive comments is unacceptable and we need to educate people that cyberbullying is an actual problem. however, being overly sensitive to peoples' comments about you is almost completely unrelated and should be dealt with entirely on its own. having thin skin isnt an issue thats exclusive to cyberbullying, and so im saying its something koreans, or any other person who this problem applies to, need to work on even if there is no association to cyberbullying. its popular nowadays for everyone to be politically (or in this case, morally) correct and just call me out for "victim blaming" or some shit, but tbh the more likely scenario for these streamers is they just havent developed proper social skills and just need to harden up. some of the comments they claim to be offended by are probably lighter than what the average joe listens to when he gets reamed out at work by his own boss. ill concede the point that if someone says that shit to your face 100 times youll be annoyed either way, but theyre reading this stuff on a chat, and like i already pointed out with terror, its honestly quite easy to ignore. accept that its part of the job to have people talk shit about you and either ignore the trolls, or embrace it and turn it around on them like some western streamers do. | ||
VHbb
688 Posts
Someone is expressing a complaint, by saying that they (streamers) are personally affected in a negative way by hateful comments. This issue is for them strong enough to be willing to voice this complaint: what gives you the authority to decide if this is "overly" sensitive, or just the right amount of sensitive? I ask to understand, not to argue but why do you (figurative you) react to this concerns by trying to evaluate how these people feel? Does it come from distrust in what they say? If someone says to me that they are "strongly" affected by something (being it hate speech in online chat, or else) - why should my reaction be to tell them how to be "less sensitive" to the issue? Also, I find this type of argument a bit absurd: "some of the comments they claim to be offended by are probably lighter than what the average joe listens to when he gets reamed out at work by his own boss" if you have a problem, I cannot dismiss it by saying that others have it worse! There will always be someone in a worse situation: does your boss screams at you at work everyday? well, there are people who don't have a job at all, should you really complain? (yes you should of course! ) "accept that its part of the job to have people talk shit about you" --> why should they? These people stream on a specific platform (twitch, afreecaTV, ...) they don't appear out of nowhere on "The Internet". As much as I strongly feel that the internet should not be (in most part) "regulated" or censored, I also think that specific platform / websites should enforce a stronger regulation. The internet is free, sure, but is Twitch is "my home" (as in, I manage Twitch as one of the owner for instance) I would not tolerate certain things, just like if you come to my house and start insulting me, I will not accept you here anymore (and I hope we agree this is not "limiting your freedom of speech" ) | ||
evilfatsh1t
Australia8524 Posts
again, im not saying bullying and abusive comments is in any way acceptable. efforts should be made to reduce these where possible. however its naive to think that just because you increase awareness or somehow regulate online and offline platforms in order to achieve this, suddenly the world is going to stop throwing shit at you. if i took a job as a garbage collector id have to accept the fact that my hands are gonna get dirty and im gonna stink like shit (im guessing). the alternative is having a sook and complaining all day every day about it when its a choice i made anyway. likewise with people who put themselves in a position where they are open to scrutiny from the public, its a choice they made and they have to realise there are going to be people who will try to bring you down. its inevitable. so either they accept that part of their job and learn to toughen up or they can continue to be hurt by every comment that belittles them and make life harder for themselves, because whether they like it or not people arent going to miraculously turn nice and stop flaming. again, i emphasise that in regards to streaming, it seems that western streamers handle this very well in general compared to koreans. i mean i personally havent heard of a single case of a western streamer making a genuine complaint how they were genuinely offended by viewers on a regular basis. i mean im sure there are cases where i havent heard of, but you would only need to compare sample sizes with korea to see how much of a difference there is. you could maybe make a case for some female streamers, but its hard to sympathise too much when so many of them blatantly target horny males on stream by modelling themselves after the "gamer girl" image, expose maximum cleavage and wear skimpy clothes for the attention. they know what theyre getting themselves into. inb4 someone interprets this as female streamers deserving the flame or some bullshit. no, its just inevitable and should be something the streamer has taken into account and is prepared to deal with. edit: seems my inb4 edit was 1 min too late lol | ||
VHbb
688 Posts
"you could maybe make a case for some female streamers, but its hard to sympathise too much when so many of them blatantly target horny males on stream by modelling themselves after the "gamer girl" image, expose maximum cleavage and wear skimpy clothes for the attention. they know what theyre getting themselves into" makes me feel very sad, so I will not answer.. this mentality is so sick to my eyes and should have *no place* in a forum like this, that I have no interest in being exposed to it: I'm sure you won't change your opinion, I'm sorry you view the world and act in it like this (mostly for the people who interact with you..) And yes: if there is a problem, my solution is *not* to become better at suffering it, rather it is to bring attention to it if this improves the chances that something get changes and I *don't* have to suffer the problem anymore (if this means living in a world full of rainbows and unicorns, even better) | ||
HsDLTitich
Italy824 Posts
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spritzz
Canada331 Posts
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