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Kenthros
United States95 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On July 21 2014 13:48 Sub40APM wrote: Here is the one area where introducing cameras onto police officers -- maybe put them in their badges or make them wear those goofy google glasses -- would be a tremendous benefit. IIRC, there was a study that shows instances of both police brutality reports and police brutality outcomes drop significantly when the cop and the person he is interacting with both know there is a police tape of their interaction. While sticking a camera on every cop is better than absolutely nothing these cops (and others before him) did what he did with a camera right in his face. You have cops that will take phones and cameras away from people recording them to destroy the evidence, and I'm sure even if you did cam up every cop there would be an alarming number of instances of said camera miraculously "malfunctioning" somehow when an event comes up. This is a issue that needs to be seriously looked at in this country. We're militarizing our police all across the country, we're using SWAT teams for trivial shit on a daily basis. Cops are meant to protect and serve the citizens, it can be a difficult job but its the job they signed up for and they need to be held to a much higher standard than civilians with the power they wield. This shit happens way more often than it should and good cops should be throwing the bad ones under the bus or they're really no better. | ||
Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22201 Posts
On July 21 2014 08:51 Ettick wrote: Cops need to be less rough when dealing with unarmed people in general. Stuff like this wouldn't happen if all cops treated "civilians" like actual people. Sometimes it's hard to ascertain if someone is truly unarmed. Not saying this justifies the excessive use of force in this case.. | ||
Duvon
Sweden2360 Posts
On July 21 2014 22:16 ThomasjServo wrote: Go into any bodega in NYC and you can buy loosies, what happens when cigarettes go up $14.50 a pack. NYC police department is one of the most militant in the country, if you're really going to go after a guy selling cigarettes a for a buck a piece. Write a citation and move along. What's even the purpose of having a ban on selling singles? That there's no warning text? | ||
brian
United States9531 Posts
selling cigarettes without a license is also illegal. | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On July 21 2014 22:52 Duvon wrote: What's even the purpose of having a ban on selling singles? That there's no warning text? Not sure, the price is only that high because of taxes, and NYC would be pissed it isn't getting its cut I guess? There is also the issue of potential "unlicensed" vendors, if it is a bodega selling them, you would imagine they could sell cigarettes by the pack and what have you, dude standing on the corner, not so much. | ||
MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
On July 21 2014 13:11 DannyJ wrote: I'd assume some of the 800,000ish police who don't make headlines are able to show restraint. They also look away when one of their own does shit like this, that his squadmates did fuck all to stop it well...... (or are just not supid enough to abuse people in daylight, while being filmed). | ||
TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
On July 21 2014 23:19 MoonfireSpam wrote: They also look away when one of their own does shit like this, that his squadmates did fuck all to stop it well...... (or are just not supid enough to abuse people in daylight, while being filmed). Calling out your own people is pretty much Career suicide. | ||
Ghostcom
Denmark4776 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:33 TheRealArtemis wrote: Calling out your own people is pretty much Career suicide. I think that really just speaks more of a rotten environment than anything else - especially considering how other professions manages to do this without the whistleblowers suffering repercussions. | ||
Kenthros
United States95 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4776 Posts
EDIT: It actually really doesn't matter if any professions in which it is acceptable exists though - shouldn't we as a society demand such acceptance from all professions? And doesn't a lack of such acceptance describe a rotten environment? | ||
Brutaxilos
United States2572 Posts
Cops should really have much harsher punishments than normal civilians not less harsh. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41095 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On July 22 2014 07:08 Ghostcom wrote: It might depend on country, but I have found that lawyers and doctors seem to be pretty good at it. EDIT: It actually really doesn't matter if any professions in which it is acceptable exists though - shouldn't we as a society demand such acceptance from all professions? And doesn't a lack of such acceptance describe a rotten environment? There's plenty of examples of medical professionals making errors and getting no punishment for it as well as more systematic flaws of not believing people/mistreating them for long periods of time. | ||
sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:33 TheRealArtemis wrote: Calling out your own people is pretty much Career suicide. So wait, we've been at the point where you can't even speak out against other police or those involved in any way with the official law enforcement branches without risking everything and nobody is doing anything to change this? That's a terrible standard and moral to be teaching people. Personal and Corporate accountability must be upheld or else morally, we are not a decent species. | ||
Ghostcom
Denmark4776 Posts
On July 22 2014 07:37 nam nam wrote: There's plenty of examples of medical professionals making errors and getting no punishment for it as well as more systematic flaws of not believing people/mistreating them for long periods of time. We are going to get lost in specific cases if we are to follow this argument to the end and it would have little purpose as the original point was that it should always be acceptable to reveal mistreatment. However I will say that there is a rather big difference between a human error, gross negligence, and manslaughter. With regards to the medical professionals there is in most countries a professional, independent board who figures out where on said spectrum a case falls, and as an M.D. I will say that a lot of the errors medical professionals are making belong to the more innocent part of the spectrum. | ||
m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 21 2014 22:25 ahswtini wrote: Sometimes it's hard to ascertain if someone is truly unarmed. Not saying this justifies the excessive use of force in this case.. It wasn't excessive force. Excessive force were if they beat him with their sticks. They used a move which didn't kill for the first time, and was banned because of that. They're grossly and willingly neglecting any consequences that might arise out of their action. I'm curious how this ends, if the US police pulls a "deskduty, but totally not guilty" again. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
The police shouldn't be the mafia where rats get whacked, that only goes to prove the system is cancerous and is legitimately flawed to its core. It's only going to get worse unless something fundamentally changes and it's only going to breed more mistrust. | ||
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