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On July 14 2011 11:58 godemperor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 11:56 Sina92 wrote:On July 14 2011 11:51 Arterial wrote:On July 14 2011 11:51 Cloud9157 wrote: This just proves that Korean Terrans are the ones that represent the Terran race.
Terrans outside of Korea that could match Korean Terrans? Could probably count them on 1 hand. ...Thorzain?.... Thorzain won TSL where he had weeks to prepare for each opponent. Why do people keep making such a big fuss about him? There are better non-korean terrans out there, such as SeleCT, Sjow and Happy. I kinda agree with that, thorzain has not placed highly in recent tournaments, hope he trains hard and do well in korea. Also why do people take this ranking seriously, ladder ranking means so little.
Judge by the games not just by results. I thought we learned this from watching Huk go from a decent player to possibly the top foreigner in the matter of a weekend. Thorzain is the only terran that I see consistently play a solid all around game (tvp especially). Is he puma level? No. As far as we know, the only terran on that level is puma himself. Is thorzain at least on par with mid koreans? From all the games I have watched of his since TSL, I'd say he is.
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On July 14 2011 11:56 Sina92 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 11:51 Arterial wrote:On July 14 2011 11:51 Cloud9157 wrote: This just proves that Korean Terrans are the ones that represent the Terran race.
Terrans outside of Korea that could match Korean Terrans? Could probably count them on 1 hand. ...Thorzain?.... Thorzain won TSL where he had weeks to prepare for each opponent. Why do people keep making such a big fuss about him? There are better non-korean terrans out there, such as SeleCT, Sjow and Happy.
Thorzain has had better results overall then them (including recent head to head with SeleCT and being able to play well when preparing for an opponent is impressive, why try to make it sound otherwise?
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On July 14 2011 12:02 Dfgj wrote: SEA is:
3 Protoss 9 Zerg 7 Terran 1 Random
SEA's always been pretty Zerg-heavy and we've got almost no good Protoss players :<
yea man... thats why i stopped playing on SEA, i have 8 ZvZs in a row and it was against the same 3-4 people... really annoying
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On July 14 2011 12:06 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 11:57 Dommk wrote:On July 14 2011 11:48 Plexa wrote: Not too surprising. Terran seems to be the strongest race in korea. Not saying that Terran is imba, but the Terrans are on another level at the moment. Especially with the recent MMA style medivac revolution. ZP need to work out proper ways to deal with that, oh and protoss have to deal with the annoying 1/1/1 all in - which on ladder can be difficult. 1/1/1 all-ins are pretty bullshit The two Protoss on the top aren't really the best Protoss either, I doubt anyone would consider them better than Sage, Puzzle or MC. Though in a general sense, Terran does seem to be the strongest race right now, at least in Korea. Quite the opposite in EU/NA. Almost 50% of the Top 100 is Terran in Korea I hate that and the 2 and 3rax all ins. Problem is no way to fix it without making terran late game weaker than it already is. What can you do? make marines or tanks slower to come out? disaster for mid - late balance,
The 1/1/1 thing isn't even comparable to 2/3 rax. The difference is that you can deal with the rax stuff with forcefields quite reliably. Stopping the 1/1/1 rush is a matter of divine intervention.
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This may sound odd, but In my view the top players in korea are playing Terran because Terran have Marines which are the best unit in the game by such a large margin right now.
add in the ridiculous synergy with tanks and the BW skillset crossing
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On July 14 2011 11:59 sitromit wrote: Just watch ICCup Korean weekly and it's very obvious why. Terrans dominate that tournament every week too. Almost half the TvZ are 2 raxes that end in 5 minutes. This. People need to understand 90% of terran wins are within 8 minutes and Koreans abuse the shit out of the fact they have half a dozen strong all ins.
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On July 14 2011 12:13 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 12:06 tdt wrote:On July 14 2011 11:57 Dommk wrote:On July 14 2011 11:48 Plexa wrote: Not too surprising. Terran seems to be the strongest race in korea. Not saying that Terran is imba, but the Terrans are on another level at the moment. Especially with the recent MMA style medivac revolution. ZP need to work out proper ways to deal with that, oh and protoss have to deal with the annoying 1/1/1 all in - which on ladder can be difficult. 1/1/1 all-ins are pretty bullshit The two Protoss on the top aren't really the best Protoss either, I doubt anyone would consider them better than Sage, Puzzle or MC. Though in a general sense, Terran does seem to be the strongest race right now, at least in Korea. Quite the opposite in EU/NA. Almost 50% of the Top 100 is Terran in Korea I hate that and the 2 and 3rax all ins. Problem is no way to fix it without making terran late game weaker than it already is. What can you do? make marines or tanks slower to come out? disaster for mid - late balance, The 1/1/1 thing isn't even comparable to 2/3 rax. The difference is that you can deal with the rax stuff with forcefields quite reliably. Stopping the 1/1/1 rush is a matter of divine intervention. LOL true.
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Terrans benefit the most from strong mechanics, namely multitasking and micro, so it's natural that the Koreans Terrans are so good. Focus firing, unit splitting, kiting, all while macroing perfectly is incredibly hard to do and not attainable unless you practice as hard as the Koreans.
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The ladder has close spawn positions so all Zerg have a disadvantage in ladder.
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Honestly, I think it is because Terran is a very versatile race in terms of the number of different all ins they can do, making them a strong ladder race. Especially for the Koreans who know how to abuse stuff like that to the max. For a long time Terrans held the majority of the top ladder spots on servers outside of Korea as well.
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korean people just have more skill and terran can take advantage of the higher apm of the player.
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On July 14 2011 11:12 Midgetman101 wrote: Korean Terrans are terrifying
this omg their terrans are so sick good :D
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did anyone watch marineking in the FXO KoTH the other day? he won like 4-5 games in a row doing crazy all-ins, no game went past like 8 minutes. that's what i imagine a lot of the korean ladder looks like.
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i dont think they're winnng all the tournaments though :O
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On July 14 2011 12:34 pigtheman wrote: i dont think they're winnng all the tournaments though :O
They just won GSL Code A and the GSL super tournament and the last MLG. No race is winning all the tournaments ^_^.
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On July 14 2011 12:31 Nexic wrote: did anyone watch marineking in the FXO KoTH the other day? he won like 4-5 games in a row doing crazy all-ins, no game went past like 8 minutes. that's what i imagine a lot of the korean ladder looks like.
Didn't some FXO player say that the first like week or so they were there whenever they'd ladder they would end up getting hit with all sorts of funky all ins?
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All this tells me is that I should expect to see Korean Terrans winning events, in which Koreans participate, quite often. I would postulate that this is a result of the amount of benefit and Damage that micro/multitasking can produce when playing Terran.
I hope we will soon see the perfect storm in an Sc2 player, that we see with Flash in BW. A player with the strategy, tactics, understanding, multitasking, micro, and macro to finally give us 1 player with long term dominance in Sc2. Right now I'd have to say that MC and Nestea are the players that have that potential with Zerg, and protoss. When I watch their games, they have the power to just assume control against anyone. There are so many good terrans, both old and upcoming, it's hard to say. MVP, MKP, MMA, PUMA, the list can just go on and on.
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Top 3 in NA are also terran. Terran players seem to have the best win rate on ladder.
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On July 14 2011 11:56 Sina92 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 11:51 Arterial wrote:On July 14 2011 11:51 Cloud9157 wrote: This just proves that Korean Terrans are the ones that represent the Terran race.
Terrans outside of Korea that could match Korean Terrans? Could probably count them on 1 hand. ...Thorzain?.... Thorzain won TSL where he had weeks to prepare for each opponent. Why do people keep making such a big fuss about him? There are better non-korean terrans out there, such as SeleCT, Sjow and Happy.
... but SeleCT is Korean
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Nothing special, just a few reasons combined: - Koreans like to play Terran (40% over Masters+GM) - good race for laddering - variance
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