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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5962 Posts
e. I can't fathom what else you can say. | ||
smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
On March 16 2012 07:49 Monsen wrote: Because of all those news from Germany where the content of books that are widely considered classics are suddenly "pornographic". Also Germans are on the forefront of doubting evolution and questioning whether birth control is morally ok in 2012. Yeah, we are a backward country- I'm a hypocrite. Not a hypocrite. A JEW KILLER. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
TheWestWind
Canada87 Posts
Until, that is, I read this analysis. http://plover.net/~bonds/ender.html "Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card, which purports to be a classic sci-fi novel, but is actually, I now realise, a work of pornography. Some readers might be deceived by the book's scrupulous avoidance of sexual content, but it just happens that sex is not the particular fetish of Ender's Game: it finds its gratification elsewhere." Please read this dudes take on Ender's Game if you are at all curious as to why the 'porn' tag is being attached to scott cards work. | ||
StinkyBoots
Canada76 Posts
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Deleted User 123474
292 Posts
On March 16 2012 07:46 Tanukki wrote: Only in america. Just like the school shootings, amiright? P.S. Finland had two high school and college shootings in 2007 and 2008. I do not condone the "X happened in this country so it is because of this country's policies" idea. Ender's Game was for ~10 years my #1 book. It has since slipped to #5 or so and lies there purely due to nostalgia -- I've read it too many (9) times. As for its violence: well, Harry Potter has close to as much violence as Ender's Game. Wait, bad example...(Harry Potter is banned in some schools) Edit: misread something | ||
Spades
United States249 Posts
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
On March 16 2012 08:00 elsation wrote: I would think if the book was approved by the school, they might have more knowledge of the book and assume the complaints were based on ultra conservative views or a grudge against the specific teacher or some such. They could then make plans to move the child to a separate class when the reading began. The teacher has showed they will read a book to their kids without approval, it is not out of the realms of possibility that they may read a properly inappropriate book. The idea that Enders game is pornographic is laughable, and if the teacher was put on administrative leave for reading it then there should be outrage. However I think if the proper procedures were followed this story would not exist as it could have been solved quickly and amicably. I don't disagree- if the teacher would have followed the proper procedures this would not have happened. This could have been avoided. However there is still a point to be made when teachers are subjected to such (fake?) outrage. Chances are the teacher thought along the same lines as you and never fathomed that a book like that needed official approval. Legally his/her mistake. Morally/rationally I find it hard not to sympathize with the teacher and find the parent(s) idiotic. | ||
shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On March 16 2012 07:56 AngryFarmer wrote: I feel like because this happened in one place it could totally happen in another place. Sometimes doing a morally right thing can become something legally wrong. It's quite sad. I am not saying it couldn't happen in another place but you mostly hear about these types of 'problems' from the US. This isn't about morals or legality. This is about common sense. woaaaaaaah.. WOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH DAFUQ? | ||
ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
On March 16 2012 08:07 TheWestWind wrote: Well, I read Ender's Game for the first time at the fairly advanced age of 27. My GF at the time had a bunch of the books in the series, and as it was one of her all time favourites and I am fairly literate, I gave it a try. I didn't really enjoy it, but I couldn't quite put my finger on what was so off putting to me personally about the book. Until, that is, I read this analysis. http://plover.net/~bonds/ender.html "Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card, which purports to be a classic sci-fi novel, but is actually, I now realise, a work of pornography. Some readers might be deceived by the book's scrupulous avoidance of sexual content, but it just happens that sex is not the particular fetish of Ender's Game: it finds its gratification elsewhere." Please read this dudes take on Ender's Game if you are at all curious as to why the 'porn' tag is being attached to scott cards work. Read it. No clue what anything he said has to do with porn. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On March 16 2012 08:07 TheWestWind wrote: Well, I read Ender's Game for the first time at the fairly advanced age of 27. My GF at the time had a bunch of the books in the series, and as it was one of her all time favourites and I am fairly literate, I gave it a try. I didn't really enjoy it, but I couldn't quite put my finger on what was so off putting to me personally about the book. Until, that is, I read this analysis. http://plover.net/~bonds/ender.html "Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card, which purports to be a classic sci-fi novel, but is actually, I now realise, a work of pornography. Some readers might be deceived by the book's scrupulous avoidance of sexual content, but it just happens that sex is not the particular fetish of Ender's Game: it finds its gratification elsewhere." Please read this dudes take on Ender's Game if you are at all curious as to why the 'porn' tag is being attached to scott cards work. That's an insane use of the word pornography. You can't have porn without sex, regardless of how superfluous you think the plot might be; which is also pretty insane considering it's a critically acclaimed book. | ||
h0oTiS
United States101 Posts
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
Seriously, don't angry mothers have better things to do with their time? I know they have to bitch and complain about something, but surely they can find something to go after more menacing than a children's book. | ||
Frogsox
Australia274 Posts
On March 16 2012 08:07 StinkyBoots wrote: Being a teacher myself, you absolutely have to ask the Principal about reading books that aren't in the curriculum. Just to be safe, always ask, never assume. However a "leave" is way out of league. Teachers are being victimized and it has to stop! Fair enough. I think teachers get a really raw deal in a lot of ways. A lot of people expect them to do a lot of their parenting for them in terms of educating their children on a whole range of topics that should be handled by parents, and then they get crap for doing it the "wrong" way or going too far. Then there are situations like this where something relatively minor is being blown way out of proportion. Don't people just sit down any more and discuss things rationally instead of immediately running for the fire alarm and creating this kind of situation? Surely the parent could have come and spoken to the teacher and principal about this in an appointment where a more rational conclusion could be arrived ? | ||
qqK
Germany282 Posts
On March 16 2012 08:07 TheWestWind wrote: Well, I read Ender's Game for the first time at the fairly advanced age of 27. My GF at the time had a bunch of the books in the series, and as it was one of her all time favourites and I am fairly literate, I gave it a try. I didn't really enjoy it, but I couldn't quite put my finger on what was so off putting to me personally about the book. Until, that is, I read this analysis. http://plover.net/~bonds/ender.html "Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card, which purports to be a classic sci-fi novel, but is actually, I now realise, a work of pornography. Some readers might be deceived by the book's scrupulous avoidance of sexual content, but it just happens that sex is not the particular fetish of Ender's Game: it finds its gratification elsewhere." Please read this dudes take on Ender's Game if you are at all curious as to why the 'porn' tag is being attached to scott cards work. This text would probably be a lot better if the author knew what "pornography" means. | ||
shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On March 16 2012 08:12 Myles wrote: That's an insane use of the word pornography. You can't have porn without sex, regardless of how superfluous you think the plot might be; which is also pretty insane considering it's a critically acclaimed book. The parent must be thinking about rule 34 while reading the parts about Valentine and Andrew. lololol Seriously, we need a mod here. | ||
xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 16 2012 08:07 TheWestWind wrote: Well, I read Ender's Game for the first time at the fairly advanced age of 27. My GF at the time had a bunch of the books in the series, and as it was one of her all time favourites and I am fairly literate, I gave it a try. I didn't really enjoy it, but I couldn't quite put my finger on what was so off putting to me personally about the book. Until, that is, I read this analysis. http://plover.net/~bonds/ender.html "Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card, which purports to be a classic sci-fi novel, but is actually, I now realise, a work of pornography. Some readers might be deceived by the book's scrupulous avoidance of sexual content, but it just happens that sex is not the particular fetish of Ender's Game: it finds its gratification elsewhere." Please read this dudes take on Ender's Game if you are at all curious as to why the 'porn' tag is being attached to scott cards work. It is this kind of crap that reminds me why it is so hard to take English/literature schlolars seriously. | ||
Frogsox
Australia274 Posts
On March 16 2012 08:14 Tewks44 wrote: Obviously this mother had every right to be upset. I read ender's game when I was 14 at the request of my teacher and it slowly ruined my life. The blatant exposure to pornographic materials completely ripped down my sexual boundaries. I got a job at a strip club simply because it paid better than any other opportunities available to me at the time.... the fact I had to get naked in front of strangers didn't even seem like a big deal to me. Of course my mom found out and kicked me out of the house. Desperate, I met a patron at the strip club and started living with him. at 19 I was working at a strip club and basically living with a stranger who was over a decade older than me, but things really got ugly when I was introduced to the drugs. Heroin, cocaine, it didn't matter. Before I knew it I was caught with multiple possession charges. I was thrown in jail where I got regularly molested by the older inmates. And that is why 14 year olds shouldn't read ender's game. Seriously, don't angry mothers have better things to do with their time? I know they have to bitch and complain about something, but surely they can find something to go after more menacing than a children's book. Not sure if serious or... | ||
GranDim
Canada1214 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
Read the entire post first | ||
Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
the second, far briefer part of my post is serious. The first part is just to show how completely absurd the idea that reading ender's game will have any serious negative effects on a child's psychological health. | ||
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