PD: Personally hate the cannon rush , only happened to me twice and i hate it the most.
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Meatloaf
Spain664 Posts
PD: Personally hate the cannon rush , only happened to me twice and i hate it the most. | ||
cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
ZvP, Kulas Ravine, I scout his pylon in my base when it was at 50% and I'm like: "scouted cannon rush = easy win lol". I a-move 4-5 drones to the pylon while waiting for him to leave. I take it down but he places 2 cannons + another 2 pylons, I overestimate drones dmg, and also suicide 6 lings trying to take down the pylons ... I kept making lings but they were useless already. I suddenly realized that I'm actually losing the game and remembered spine crawlers exist ... but it was too late as he already advanced forward with cannons and started to hit my pool >< Happens so often for me to scout some cheese and then stupidly lose because I think it's so easy to defend and get lazy | ||
ColorsOfRainbow
Germany354 Posts
On May 17 2010 06:31 Gaxton wrote: Voidsrays -> Protoss wins this pool this is why i think this poll is so wrong wtf is cheese on vr ? | ||
Chido
United States18 Posts
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Daudr
Sweden275 Posts
As for Terran, reapers come and go. But not all that often nowadays. Zerg; rarely. | ||
nextstep
Canada705 Posts
On May 17 2010 06:40 Wr3k wrote: Cheese is anything that gives a massive, potentially game winning advantage through means of secrecy. Basically anything that is a massive threat if you don't scout it. Hidden DT tech is cheese. Cannon proxy is cheese. Building a spire somewhere with overlord creep is cheese. Proxy reaper could be considered cheese, but honestly its so common now I'm not sure you can really call it that. what if the Dark Shrine is in my base, easily see-able with good scans, reapers, overlords, observers, etc. is it still cheese in that case? | ||
KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
And now that i think about it i've been cannon rushed once aswell ^^ | ||
Slunk
Germany768 Posts
I am only top 5 Gold, but that's not quite copper I guess. And seriously, I have played 110 games since the last ladder reset and I got cheesed exactly twice in that time. Also I do not cheese myself. There is simply no point in cheesing. Every cheese I ever saw (except for maybe desert oasis lowground bunker rush) is easily defendable and gives you worse winning chances than standard play. Not to mention that most of the time you don't learn anything from it. Also a lot of people might use the term cheese too often. | ||
Ghostcom
Denmark4776 Posts
On May 17 2010 06:31 cursor wrote: Protoss gets my vote. They are getting another abuse checklist being developed. [ ] Proxy Pylon / Warpgates [ ] Early/Proxy Void Rays [ ] Dark Templar rush [ ] ForceField ramp abuse None of what you listed is cheese except for the proxy VR - holy crap I wish people would at one point learn the difference between all-in, clever use of spells and cheese. Canon rush, proxies are (generally) cheeses. And the reason we don't see much cheese by zergs are that they pretty much only got 6-pool and the proxy hatch cancel into spine crawler thingy. Proxying vs Zerg as a terran really isn't all that feasible, as it is vs protoss, hence protoss players are more often cheesed by terrans than zerg are. And without taking MUs into account, the poll in the OP doesn't really tell us anything... | ||
mnck
Denmark1518 Posts
Example: I consider early two gate push to be a pretty cheesy all in strategy by the protoss, as a fast roach push will always win it, at least it has worked for me. Some may probably still call this a viable strategy as it forces the zerg to react, but usually my reaction ends up winning the game, because there is no way the Protoss will get anything up in time to hold it back. | ||
SagaZ
France3460 Posts
worst thing is that i always see their main without the barrack and go "oh, this guy must be pretty bad lol" | ||
Gann1
United States1575 Posts
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kskim02
United States3 Posts
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NiiPPLES
United Kingdom201 Posts
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Slunk
Germany768 Posts
On May 17 2010 07:10 mnck wrote: Example: I consider early two gate push to be a pretty cheesy all in strategy by the protoss, as a fast roach push will always win it, at least it has worked for me. Some may probably still call this a viable strategy as it forces the zerg to react, but usually my reaction ends up winning the game, because there is no way the Protoss will get anything up in time to hold it back. Bullshit. Look at the Orb vs. Idra on Blistring Sands (HDH Invitational). You get those two gates to force zerg to react, so you can pull ahead in economy and FE safely. If anyone twogating dies to the immediate roach counterattack, he must be pretty retarded. | ||
Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
Unlike protoss that unbelievably fast proxy pylon/star gate chrono boost into voidray and worse when they charge them to full outside your base on destructible rocks or a well placed pylon and then micro them with fully charge into base. You cant have hydras ready even with superfast lair, you literally must have 4 queens ready to fight off the 2 - 3 voidrays or scout the proxy with your speedlings or you will loose your main or your expo and if they destroy hydra den its gg right there. Terran has NOTHING; they can do to me that is even remotely comparable. Proxxy rax? throw down a faster pool. Proxy star port, 1 banshee dies to 2 queens and does not come out as fast and thus you usually have hydras there. Want stealth too? Well afraid you going to have to wait for research to be finished and thus exposing you to scouting and it’s easily countered by having an overseer. I think they should revert protoss back to sc1 when you needed twilight council / Citadel of adun to even start up your robotics and star gate techs. | ||
Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
Mostly all in immortals/voidrays/pure stalkers, strangely NO DT rush ! over 100+ games played at platium 1500+ Not saying they were effective but sure are annoying. | ||
ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
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Edge-
Netherlands8 Posts
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Crompee
United Kingdom27 Posts
I started in the copper league (didnt do any practise games, just jumped straght into the placement matches with no knowledge) and i never experienced any cheese until i reached high silver (where i am now). I guess ive reached the point in the ladder where most 'cheese only' players are stuck, they can beat lower ranked players with cheese but cant beat any anyone higher than them with it.. so they're stuck in high silver/low gold. You dont get much cheese in the lower leagues, as anyone that does alot of cheese gets promoted quickly as there opponents cant combat it. but it depends what you class as cheese, against other protoss players.. i like to go 12/14 gate (in my base) and put on alot of early pressure against players who chose to go 1gate>tech. I dont really class that as cheese, as they can and always will scout it and to combat it.. they just need to put down another gateway instead of teching. It just suits my play style, as i prefer aggressive builds with map control allowing me to expand easier and generally dictate when to tech. I dont go all-in with my gateways either, if my opponent puts down the other gate.. i will just use my gates to apply pressure while im teching. Against zergs, depending on the map.. i'll do a 10gate build, this isnt aimed to winning the game there and then but simply to put pressure on them and/or protect me from any incoming rushes. I also dont count going early voidrays as 'cheese' as long as it isnt a proxy. Terran have scan for a reason and zerg should be sacrificing an overlord to check out what im teching. Its not really cheese if its just due to you not scouting properly and blindly guessing what im doing. Its like me building a mass zealot army and then finding out my opponent went double starports. Saying that, i dont really mind people doing cheese on me (as long as i dont get it 2+ times in a row). Its a change to the usual way i play and forces me to constantly be on my guard against it, i like to think that its my fault that i lost to cheese rather than raging at them cheesing. Although, i have came close to getting extremly annoyed when i played 3 ladder games and it was a 6pool zergling rush, followed by a cannon rush followed by another 6pool zergling rush. It annoyed me the most as just before it happend, i had been on a 5-6 win streak and near the top of silver league, so i was saying to myself.. I just have to win the next few games and im probably going to get into gold league. | ||
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